Life After Venography

Recovery from the venogram was much worse than I expected. Originally, they told me I’d be in pain for the next 48 hours and then I’d be fine, but put me on restrictions for 7 days. I guess I didn’t realize how much you actually use your neck, as I could barely move at all for the entire week following. All I could do was sleep. The day after the procedure, I started coughing up blood, as well as blowing it out my nose, and my pelvis hurt more than it had even before the procedure. I also couldn’t see clearly either. It was as if my normal vision (even with glasses) suddenly changed overnight. Worried, I called the hospital, but the on call doctor thought my symptoms were unrelated to the venogram. Just weird they started the morning AFTER the venogram. Not long after I get off the phone with him, the hospital calls back letting me know that I have an appointment for a follow-up in two days (which I didn’t make – I was told to call to schedule). At that point, it was now the weekend, so I called bright and early that Monday morning to reschedule, since I was already scheduled with cardiology (at a different hospital) at the same time.

When I go to the follow-up a week later, the receptionist checking me in tells me that they’ll be calling me shortly for my ultrasound. Confused, I questioned her about it and she said, “Oh, never mind. It is an appointment, but there is no doctor written on the schedule…how odd!Um, okay… that doesn’t sound good, but she doesn’t act concerned so we (my husband and me) take a seat in the waiting room and actually get called back to the exam room rather quickly – I think it was in less than 5 minutes from sitting down. After the nurse does her thing, she says it’ll be just a few minutes until the doctor comes in. After an hour goes by of us waiting in the exam room, the nurse finally comes back in to check up on us, saying that she just realized that it had been just over an hour since we checked in and that the doctor was scheduled for surgery at the time of the appointment… but he should be almost done. About 10 to 15 minutes later, a doctor that looks familiar, but is not MY doctor, walks into the room.

He introduces himself and says he will be helping Dr. J with my surgery and that he assisted with my venogram. Okay, so that’s why he looked familiar. He proceeds to go over the findings of the test by drawing me a picture and telling me, in the most basic way possible, that I have Nutcracker Syndrome. Um, yes, I know. It’s already been confirmed multiple times by multiple doctors. I don’t think he knew anything about me, really. This became more apparent when he then tells me to they want to do surgery to stop my hematuria – only I don’t have hematuria as a symptom and I haven’t since I was in my teens and early 20’s. He seems confused by this and asks me what, exactly, are my symptoms.

I tell him the list (ULQ abdominal pain that can also radiate to the right or pelvic region on both sides, constant nausea, dysphagia, pain after eating, alternating diarrhea/constipation, rectal bleeding with or without mucus or undigested food in stool, dizziness, syncope/pre-syncope, occipital neuralgia, skin rashes, burning sensation under skin, insomnia, sleep apnea, chest pain, asthma/allergies/anaphylaxis, olfactory hallucinations, hair loss, incoordination/balance issues, severe fatigue, heart palpitations, arthralgia and myalgia, muscle and eye twitching, livedo reticularis, nevus anemicus, random swelling of my lymph nodes, and abnormal menstrual cycle before endometrial ablation). I also tell him my current diagnoses aside from the NCS (SMAS, MTS, IBS, Hypoxemia, POTS, Pericardial Effusion, Ventricular and Sinus Tachycardia, Cardiomyopathy, Alopecia, SIBO, and some underlying autoimmune/infiltrative disease that is tricky to diagnose, but the doctors are fighting about it being lupus or not). Maybe it was the number of symptoms/syndromes I named off, I don’t know, but he just kind of brushed it all off since none of it fit with the Nutcracker diagnosis.

Instead, he moved on with the conversation by showing me where all the collaterals are forming (where the body develops new blood circulation pathways to flow through since my renal vein is essentially blocked) and we watch some video from the venogram.


Photo retrieved from Dr. Scholbach’s Website, 2015

Basically, a lot of my blood is flowing into my lumbar plexus and pelvis, causing the pelvic congestion syndrome.


Photo retrieved from RIA Endovascular Website, 2015.

The blood that is making it through the renal vein is then going up into the hemiazygous vein.


The rest of the blood, however, is flowing retrograde toward the IVC, and the doctor says that it’s not likely May-Thurner Syndrome but the retrograde flow instead (although, again, Dr. J said I absolutely had MTS based off my CT Angiography, which we watched together during my consult as well).

Minolta DSC

Retrieved from the University of the Cumberlands website, 2015

This doctor then tells me that I have two options to fix the Nutcracker Syndrome; a stent (which I interrupt him and tell him that’s not an option) or the LRV transposition surgery, which they believe, due to my age, would be the best option. I ask him about the SMA Syndrome, which Dr. J said I had based on the CTA as well, but this doctor tells me there’s no way I have that. I tell him that GI surgeon confirmed the angle for SMAS and wrote it down as a diagnosis in my chart, but said he wouldn’t treat it without other proof.


Retrieved from Dr. Sathaye’s Blog, 2015

Basically, this doctor says that since I have no confirmed blockage they won’t treat it and that they can only treat what they have confirmed – the Nutcracker Syndrome and the Pelvic Congestion Syndrome (they plan to “tie off the vein” where it goes into the pelvis). Great…

We go over the surgery, recovery, etc.  My husband asks him if surgery will treat any of my primary symptoms. He basically stutters, saying there’s no way to know if it’ll help at all, but it may decrease any flank pain, hematuria (which, again, I don’t have) or pelvic pain caused by the PVCS, and that it has to be done. “So none of her primary symptoms?” – “Not likely”. I ask him if this could be causing any of the problems with my heart or the POTS. “Not likely influencing any of that either. I don’t suspect that this surgery will help those problems, but you never know.” We basically end the conversation there.

As the nurse is getting us checked out she says, “For someone with as many symptoms as you, you look really good.”  Excuse me?


After 20 years of pain and no diagnosis, you learn to hide it pretty well…

 “We have another patient with all the same things as you and she doesn’t look well at all….She is horribly skinny and sick.


I didn’t know how to respond to that, so I just said,

“Well I keep my weight up by drinking 1 or 2

high-calorie Starbuck’s drinks a day.


She doesn’t understand how that’s even possible.

“It’s 500 to 600 calories a drink. Keeps my weight up

and is the reason why I don’t ‘look sick’.”

She’s in shock.

You mean, you don’t eat food?

No… I CAN’T eat food.”

She’s speechless for a moment and then tells me that the doctor’s scheduler will call me to set up a surgery date, before walking us out. Before we left, though, she was nice enough to print out my venogram results so I didn’t have to wait for medical records to send them out by mail.

So, after all of this, I’m at a loss about what I should do.

Primarily, the biggest concern is having a major surgery without fixing my primary complaints first– you know, the ones that have taken away my ability to work and live a normal day-to-day life.

My husband doesn’t want me to have it done because he knows I can’t handle any additional pain on top of what I already have going on (that surgery won’t fix) and he doesn’t think it would be worth it. He also doesn’t trust the hospital, as I do after this whole affair. When the hospital called to schedule a few days later, I told them I would have to call back after I’ve gotten my affairs in order, talked with my other doctors and moved some appointments around, and talked with my school about taking at least one semester off. I also plan to call around to some other doctors out of state to see if they can review my tests, as well as my other doctors, although I obviously didn’t tell them that.

When I called my cardiologist to see if he had any objections or concerns I should be aware of about surgery, he recommended that I wait until my cardiology testing is done because he can’t guarantee I’d be okay with such an intensive surgery or recovery. Still, I need some opinions or input as to how to move forward once I am cleared for surgery. I don’t want to be noncompliant, but this is an invasive surgery and I want to make sure that I don’t do anything to make myself worse or choose the wrong thing. So far, this is one of the biggest medical decisions I’ve had to make.

Nonetheless, I’m losing hope that I’ll ever feel better as it seems to only be getting worse over time, and honestly don’t know what to do about anything anymore. I was so ill last week that I lost 8 pounds in three days from not being able to consume coffee (or food, obviously), but I am running out of tests that can prove the SMA Syndrome in a way that they would accept in order to treat it.


So what do you think?

Should I move forward with surgery at this location after how they’ve handled everything else?

Is it even worth having the LRV Transposition if it won’t likely help any of my primary symptoms?



20 thoughts on “Life After Venography

  1. akiwifreund says:

    Man, this is tough. Every time I have surgery, I HOPE it’s going to improve my life, but it doesn’t always work out that way. It’s at these times when a big surgery is on the line that I wish we had some magic crystal ball or trick knee or chicken bones to guide us and lead us down the best path. My initial instinct is to give the go-ahead with the surgery, but on the other hand, I appreciate what your husband thinks – who can handle pain on top of more pain? New pain is a whole beast in itself. Suddenly you’re passing limits you thought you never would and there just isn’t any going back. I think that your plan to put your case in front of other eyes is a good one at this point. I wish you mucho grande luck and for the most talented and forward-thinking doctors to do their best work with you.

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    • Undiagnosed Warrior says:

      Thank you. I think it’s even harder because I’ve never undergone actual surgery before, just anesthetic procedures. I’m so afraid of making the wrong choice. I’m struggling so bad now, so while on one hand I can’t imagine where I’ll be if it gets any worse, but on the other I’m desperate to try anything at this point. I’m worried my head is not clear enough to make a good decision, but it always goes back to “it’s up to me”. You’re right, though, if only we had a crystal ball to lead us in the right direction. Thanks for the input, by the way. It’s helpful to gain perspective from others who have had to make similar choices either way.

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  2. SassaFrassTheFeisty says:

    I think fresh eyed will definitely help as finishing the rest of your cardiology tests. I don’t think that office or doctor handled your appointment properly and i feel like this doctor is trying to push you into a possible unnecessary surgery that probably won’t help at all and make your pain worse. We don’t have crystal balls are chicken legs or voodoo shaman trinkets to help. You do have your gut and woman’s intuition. And your husband. Listen to them both. In my humble and totally inexperienced knowledge of your entire process, this surgery does NOT sound like an appropriate avenue to follow. Take the time to process. {Hugs}

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    • Undiagnosed Warrior says:

      I know this surgery needs to be done eventually, however, my hopes were to do it with another surgery to actually fix the main problems that I’m having so I only have to go through it once. Now that they’re saying they won’t treat the other issues at all, I’m concerned. I guess I don’t understand why they refuse to treat something they see and know causes my symptoms, but instead want to keep testing it. But you’re right, I obviously feel worried about it for a reason.

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  3. gentlekindness says:

    I am so sorry for your siffering and for the retraumatization by thoughtless people who tell you “you don’t look sick”
    I hate that. People have no idea what it is like to be inside your body.

    Blessings and love,
    Annie ❤💛💕💙💜🌷🌸🌺🌹🌷💙💜🐇🐇🐇❤🐇💕

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  4. crazyphatmommy says:

    Sounds like you have a hard decision to make. I think you need to do what you feel is best for you. Deep down we know and trust your instincts. It wouldn’t hurt to get another opinion either if that’s possible. I’m sorry you had to go through that with the nurse. Some people just shouldn’t speak at all!

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    • Undiagnosed Warrior says:

      I think you’re right, I’ll feel more confident in my decision either way if I had some professional advice backing it up. The nurse, though, I think was trying to help but some people are clueless how to deal with invisible illnesses.

      Happy holidays!

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  5. Lindsay Garrison says:

    I was wondering why you don’t go w/the stent option. It seems like a good choice and you may not have to go under general anesthesia for it. I have had balloon angioplasty in my subclavian vein and I also have had TOS surgery.

    I think doctors don’t really know how the body is connected, so I do think that having this fixed could fix other things. There is no doubt the NCS and PCS are causing venous hypertension which can lead to Mast Cell issues and lymphatic problems.

    If I were you I would stent and hope for the best. I wish you good luck and thank you for your perserverance and inspiration.

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    • Undiagnosed Warrior says:

      Stenting, at least for me, isn’t a logical choice as they often move out of place and run the danger of moving toward the heart. The fact that once they lodge themselves somewhere in the body and are then left in makes me uncomfortable. My doctor’s agree that, at my age, transposition surgery is the best option. My worry is not so much fixing the NCS and PVCS, but leaving the SMAS untouched and having a major surgical procedure that the doctors are saying won’t fix my primary symptoms. Everything is still up in the air until cardiology can clear me for surgery anyway. Honestly, if I had my choice, I’d select SMA transposition. Although riskier, it has better outcomes for long term recovery overall.


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